tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29196779.post8007561831550889021..comments2024-01-03T06:52:57.387-05:00Comments on Pappillon: UPDATED: Cyclist Kenny Williams did test positive for DHEAJMPhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05346798683078093966noreply@blogger.comBlogger46125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29196779.post-46933896601885875552015-05-23T17:56:22.554-05:002015-05-23T17:56:22.554-05:00Anon 30 January, 2015:
Sorry it took me so long t...Anon 30 January, 2015:<br /><br />Sorry it took me so long to publish your comment. Thanks for sharing your unique perspective.<br /> <br />OT: I can't believe it's 2015 already.JMPhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05346798683078093966noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29196779.post-48448191649218077322015-01-30T19:58:26.697-05:002015-01-30T19:58:26.697-05:00Someone asked me the other day why I quit cycling ...Someone asked me the other day why I quit cycling back in 2001, while at the top of my game and still progressing. I told them, because I had a teammate tell me to shut up about wanting to know who on our team was cheating or not. And then I brought up that there was this dooshey Cro-Magnon looking couple in the Northwest scene that took most podiums for short events, and they both eventually got popped as cheaters, and that there were a bunch of others that came to their defense. So it felt like a clean, hard working cyclist wasn't welcome. Then I did a search out of curiosity and found this old thread. I love it. I was an up and coming cyclist who frequently powned Rob Campbell (who was on a team from Olympia) and most of Saturn. Most of those guys couldn't ride long for shit. But they'd cane themselves for Kenny week after week at the local criteriums for $300 first prize and some primes. It was comical in hindsight. But it was also very destructive, because when I brought the matter up with my teammate he told me to shut up, "You'd be surprised at who's doing it". I told that guy to fuck off then hung up my shoes the next day and went back to a less dooshey sport with less assholes... trail running. I've never looked back until this conversation the other day. It stunned me to find out I was right about Kenny and gang. These sad saps will die of aneurisms in their 50's while us clean athlete's will get to live on with pride. The only thing I can confidently say is, despite my abilities, I would have never made a good pro, because I was honest and loved the sport too much. I was naïve. Kenny wasn't. I always saw through you dood and knew when we were up the road in the longer races that your recovery was false. The Kreb's cycle can be tinkered with, as Kenny would prove week after week. AND, he fucking hated me. He would always try to get me to do more work than him in the break. As if anyone was going to catch us anyway. But I rode 80 miles a day to be there. He did drugs and rode a little to be there. On the weekends when his team would roll out, you'd only see him occasionally. I'd always ask, how is this asshole able to stay up with me when he doesn't roll like I do. Well, now I know. And to the haters of haters. Haters gotta hate. Get over it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29196779.post-40329157631369299802012-10-05T12:12:16.719-05:002012-10-05T12:12:16.719-05:00OK, we are on the eve of the 2012 UCI World Master...OK, we are on the eve of the 2012 UCI World Masters Track championships here in Manchester , England.Mr Williams some how has an entry in several events here.<br /><br />It has me stuffed how a 2 time doper is allowed to grace himself at the worlds highest level masters Track championships.<br /><br />I for one feel a little uneasy about his presence.In 2009 in Sydney he skulked around at the World Track Championships and never jumped on the track. Little did we all know he was about to jet back and face the music back home.Shame his positive never surfaced earlier in 2009 as he might have been denied a Visa into Australia.<br /><br />I am wondering now If this cheat will be targeted here this week in Manchester by the UCI testers.If for some reason he graces the podium his performances will be questioned by us competitors.<br /><br />Its going to be an interesting week indeed.<br />King Quon Johnsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04521789046964012793noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29196779.post-68370300281632920842010-05-11T08:47:55.834-05:002010-05-11T08:47:55.834-05:00This really bothers me, even as a UK rider where, ...This really bothers me, even as a UK rider where, as far I'm aware, doping at Masters level is utterly minimal. This is why it bothers me: some time later this year, my girlfriend, a good level Masters track rider, will quite likely race against Kenny Williams' wife Annette. My girlfriend is a national and European medallist in the pursuit, but every year Annette Williams wins the event at World level with times that make my girlfriend look like a beginner. Year in, year out, she absolutely thrashes good quality riders. Now, Annette may well be a super-talented rider; but, as one poster above indicated, she has form (she was popped for, I think, ephedrine a few years ago and served a short ban). Now it emerges that her husband is an established doper.<br /><br />How do you think my girlfriend and the other riders in her category feel about that? She works so hard to make the most of her talent (as I'm sure Annette does) and would dearly love to win a medal at World level (and she's capable of doing so). But now there's going to be this doubt at the back of her mind, this worrying sense that the outcome is already decided and there's nothing she can do about it. I've no idea whether Annette Williams dopes or not, but her close association with a doper and her consistently spectacular performances are enough to plant a seed of doubt. And this, too, is the damage of doping - even if it's based only on suspicion, it spreads poison through sport.<br /><br />So, to the people above who say "It doesn't matter, it's only Masters level", I say "Fuck you". It doesn't matter what level it is: there is always somebody who isn't willing to cheat who values the reward just as much as everyone who is willing to cheat. And these non-cheaters shouldn't have to miss out on the opportunity to win just because they are honest and they follow the rules. It makes a mockery of the stark and simple question that sport is designed to answer: who is the best? If you can't handle the answer to that question without resorting to performance enhancing drugs, I pity you.Simonhttp://thefixedfactor.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29196779.post-55674387221810218822009-12-09T17:05:34.780-05:002009-12-09T17:05:34.780-05:00Bravo Anon 15:28, way to deliver a hay-maker blow,...Bravo Anon 15:28, way to deliver a hay-maker blow, in the form of a very reasoned, thought-out and well-written reply. Kenny apologists, what's next?JMPhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05346798683078093966noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29196779.post-46430928561953083672009-12-09T15:28:22.990-05:002009-12-09T15:28:22.990-05:00Ahh yes, back to Kenny being an "honorable&qu...Ahh yes, back to Kenny being an "honorable" man and doing so much good for cycling in the Northwest. Do all you people that know Kenny so well remember when he'd bring his (first) wife to the saturday race and his girlfriend to sunday race? How about the married coaching clients he would become involved with romantically? (Or is only the woman the cheater since Kenny wasn't married then, only engaged?) How about his going back on the plan to split prize $$ with his guys because the "lead-out wasn't fuckin fast enough" despite the fact that Saturn of Bellevue (his team) had lined it out for the last 4 laps and Doug C. delivered him to 100 meters to go with no one on his wheel? <br />So condolences to Kenny for the personal attack, but those of us that still know what the word "honor" means and care about fair play will look at your past PUBLIC behavior when we consider your USADA mandated apology. So to the likes of Jordan who say "fuck us" for the personal attacks, I say we're well within our rights to take issue with those jumping up as character witnesses for someone they really don't know that well. Kenny is (was?) a big star on the little NW cycling stage. A public figure if you will. As such there are plenty of people to jump to his defense. Fame has it's benefits. But it also has it's down-side, just ask Tiger Woods. There are many of us that care about clean cycling and the future of our sport, and we're the ones that can not sit by and say nothing while everyone sings Kenny's praises. You love him? Great! It's in your rights to say so. But some feel differently. (We don't hate him either btw.) But he cheated, and is so damaged the sport we care about and damaged his own legacy, just as anyone who's caught cheating calls into question their whole career. To Jordan I would argue that GREAT people do NOT cheat. Let's save "great" for those athletes (and coaches of juniors!) that do it by the rules. Kenny will be out of racing for 2 years. After that he'll get a chance for more masters glory. Until then I for one won't miss him a bit.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29196779.post-5157842141865919052009-12-09T10:14:04.291-05:002009-12-09T10:14:04.291-05:00Anon @ 07:58, you can send me that list privately,...Anon @ 07:58, you can send me that list privately, it would be appreciated: joe at joepapp dot come.JMPhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05346798683078093966noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29196779.post-85873373844647850912009-12-09T10:13:02.441-05:002009-12-09T10:13:02.441-05:00Since Jordan deleted his comment, I'll reprodu...Since Jordan deleted his comment, I'll reproduce it here: <br /><br />"Seriously FUCK anyone who is calling Kenny Williams out. I can't stand these personal attacks that do nothing. I understand the need for clean slow cyclists to call out any fast cyclist who is clean or doping. I think this blog is a waste of time. It's not fair to turn a decent person into a villain. I agree he made a horrible choice that degrades the sport, but I know under the the right circumstances many great people are capable of doping."<br /> 08 December, 2009 22:02JMPhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05346798683078093966noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29196779.post-5541928255036199062009-12-09T07:58:05.236-05:002009-12-09T07:58:05.236-05:00I could give you 6 of the tops guys in the Southea...I could give you 6 of the tops guys in the Southeast who dope in one form or another. These are guys who are @ 40 and turning sub-20 10 mile and right around 50 minute 40k TT times. It's pretty rampant, unfortunately.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29196779.post-89295497745061610782009-12-08T22:44:19.874-05:002009-12-08T22:44:19.874-05:00Jordan, if anyone made Kenny Williams into a villa...Jordan, if anyone made Kenny Williams into a villain, it was Kenny Williams when he began doping (whenever that was...). And if this blog was a waste of time, you wouldn't be commenting here as a proxy for Kenny. <br /><br />It is true, however, that you don't have to be an inherently evil person to succumb to the temptation of doping.JMPhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05346798683078093966noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29196779.post-17839907563060739822009-12-08T22:02:52.050-05:002009-12-08T22:02:52.050-05:00This comment has been removed by the author.Jordan Campbellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15072596705761763239noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29196779.post-64216650104335065252009-12-06T18:24:30.752-05:002009-12-06T18:24:30.752-05:00I will sign on as one of those lesser racers to wh...I will sign on as one of those lesser racers to whom Kenny has provided kind words, always a smile, and a man I admire. I have known him and Annette since I became a pilot for a blind yandem team back in 98. Kenny won a ton of track races and road races with his blind tandem partner. I too, drove with my guy to a national championship that year and we all represented our country at worlds in the Springs. Those who know anything about me know that I have never done anything stronger than a good single malt, and then, never to even a buzz. I am too effing crazy without help - my alpha male just has not given up. At 53 I watch world records fall in my age group every year. Some of my fellow racers take drugs and admit it to me and others. They do not feel it important at a masters level. Al of that crap notwithstanding, the doping does tarnish K Whopper's results and his image. I, for one, am perfectly willing to forgive him because of the good he has done for the cycling community and for the good he could yet do. Some people can be genuinely remorseful and make amends for their errors. I think Kenny is one of those people. <br /><br />Tony ByattAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29196779.post-90736577024582631242009-12-05T01:55:39.157-05:002009-12-05T01:55:39.157-05:00Bruce, thanks for your reasoned comment. You'r...Bruce, thanks for your reasoned comment. You're right...following some common sense is a ready way to avoid the problems that follow a doping positive. Granted, the USPS team of the Armstrong go-go years might have a different idea of what common sense might look like when compared to what we're talking about now, but it's still a good point.JMPhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05346798683078093966noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29196779.post-86745210624906011912009-12-05T01:53:45.906-05:002009-12-05T01:53:45.906-05:00"I would ban any person that is crying over a..."I would ban any person that is crying over a podium place that was taken by Kenny." - Anon 4dec<br /><br />LMFAO...JMPhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05346798683078093966noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29196779.post-85143288337960820792009-12-04T22:42:30.289-05:002009-12-04T22:42:30.289-05:00doping for masters racing takes lame to a new leve...doping for masters racing takes lame to a new level.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29196779.post-62788449658741874612009-12-04T19:44:08.470-05:002009-12-04T19:44:08.470-05:00wow... go figure, its a masters event, why dope???...wow... go figure, its a masters event, why dope????????????????<br /><br />buster brown - arkansasUnknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06777474350503032528noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29196779.post-71130161341560840662009-12-04T17:41:16.286-05:002009-12-04T17:41:16.286-05:00A couple of common sense thoughts about lessons AL...A couple of common sense thoughts about lessons ALL of us SHOULD have learned as we grew up, thus helping to make life better and the world a better place and avoiding problems such as Kenny now has:<br /><br />The Golden Rule: Do unto others as you would have them do unto you.<br /><br />Greed as one of the Seven Deadly Sins (Some examples: Enron, Halliburton, Wall Street, etc.).Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04969691452667772221noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29196779.post-84340258662363980762009-12-04T09:34:02.630-05:002009-12-04T09:34:02.630-05:00Personnally I would not ban Kenny. Hell if you are...Personnally I would not ban Kenny. Hell if you are willing to dope as a master, you deserve to win. Like a previous "Anonymous" wrote : it's not like the pro are watching the masters...<br /><br />I would ban any person that is crying over a podium place that was taken by Kenny. Why would that bother you. I doubt Astana will be phoning you to help Alberto beat Radio Shack... (That is another story)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29196779.post-4958401187473010872009-12-04T01:41:41.168-05:002009-12-04T01:41:41.168-05:00Finally the USADA comes out:
http://usacycling.or...Finally the USADA comes out:<br /><br />http://usacycling.org/news/user/story.php?id=4567<br /><br />"by Carbon Isotope Ration analysis, for an Anabolic Agent"<br /><br />Carbon Isotope Ration Analysis is used to detect synthetic testosterone, not DHEA. I wish they'd just come out and say it in plain english. Dude did test.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29196779.post-14994057030383797622009-12-01T21:33:42.025-05:002009-12-01T21:33:42.025-05:00If you're racing Masters, by definition you...If you're racing Masters, by definition you're local, amateur, and athletically "old". I know that assertion isn't popular at the track, but it is empirically accurate. If you're a Master, the Pro Tour boys aren't watching your results, and they're not going to come calling. Ever. But if you have the drive and the commitment to toe the line, presumably you've also evolved into a mature, responsible, adult who values cycling as a sport, and who derives some degree of physical fitness and personal satisfaction from healthy, fair competition. Cycling is part of your life, but as a Master, that's all it is. You have familial, financial, community, and fraternal obligations, and your physical commitment is presumably balanced by intellectual and perhaps even spiritual pursuits. I actually understand the impulse for doping at the professional level - the impact of success on earning power and the short career span offer tangible temptation - but as a Masters competitor (irrespective of how good you are in your classification), what gives? Hubris? Ego? Stunted adolescent fantasy? I really don't get it. Then again, I don't understand putting a $7k racing bicycle on a credit card when a guy is 15 lbs. overweight. Kenny is the big dog at the local track, but arguing about whether he should be forgiven, suspended, relegated, etc., is irrelevant. If he loves cycling as many of the comments have asserted, then he wouldn't have doped. But he did. Move on.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29196779.post-68384159412240062452009-11-24T19:25:49.445-05:002009-11-24T19:25:49.445-05:00Fair enough point of view, Phil. I don't like ...Fair enough point of view, Phil. I don't like the notion of having to retroactively do anything that isn't required as part of the official sanction or rehabilitation processes. Anything mandated by public opinion or select pressure brought to bear by individuals not involved in the administration of a sanction or issuance of a license runs the risk of being applied selectively or inconsistently.JMPhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05346798683078093966noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29196779.post-51837566419435699812009-11-23T19:12:38.350-05:002009-11-23T19:12:38.350-05:00I raced on the same team as Kenny for several year...I raced on the same team as Kenny for several years up in Seattle although I'm much older. I could speculate all day about prior drug use but Kenny is the only one who knows for sure when this started. Remember that he has been tested many times in his career (UCI Masters Track Champs) and has not tested positive prior to this. Which is worth more, prior test results or speculative accusations from competitors?<br />Kenny has done a lot for the sport of cycling, coaching the cat 5s at Seward Park and taking an interest in all riders no matter what their level. He has fessed up and appologized but this obvioulsy isn't enough for some. I don't think a "retroactive" confession is appropriate. Kenny has been an exceptional rider all through his career. I don't condone cheating but Kenny will serve a ban from the sport he loves and this is the price he will pay. Rewriting the podium spots is a very limited exercise unless their is other hard evidence to the contrary.<br />Phil HUnknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15237422484593817313noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29196779.post-33982073890650781592009-11-20T01:47:20.805-05:002009-11-20T01:47:20.805-05:00I don't need to pile on Kenny anonymously, but...I don't need to pile on Kenny anonymously, but...<br /><br />How about some WSBA, ORBA, USPRO and USCF folks go back and find every rider that lost a top placing to Kenny for the last 5-6 years and give Kenny the list? Cut his suspension to one year if he looks them all up one at a time and appologizes in person. Capture it on film for yet another anti-doping documentary. Even Rob might forgive a truly contrite Kenny.<br /><br />If he puts in appropriate effort, local WA cycling would welcome him back in a few years. He's a hard-ass worker, so he'll end up back at the top of the heap (clean), if he so chooses. He certainly wouldn't need dope to beat most of us!<br /><br />As for him speaking kindly to lesser riders, I'd be fascinated to know when that happened. He certainly knew most other riders were "lesser," I just didn't have the luck to see that one "kindly" moment.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29196779.post-23931628626775381872009-11-19T18:41:27.179-05:002009-11-19T18:41:27.179-05:00Thanks for the additional comments...interesting i...Thanks for the additional comments...interesting issues raised...keep 'em coming. Too bad Kenny hasn't seen fit to share his thoughts yet. Maybe soon?JMPhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05346798683078093966noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29196779.post-41767632429433164902009-11-19T18:20:48.452-05:002009-11-19T18:20:48.452-05:00a cursory examination of Kennys "results traj...a cursory examination of Kennys "results trajectory" would indicate either a) a lifetime of performance enhancers or b) a late career attempted stiff-arm at father time. In other words, he has a great natural ability which makes pin-pointing a doping start point next to impossible. Further, I don't think any UCI official attempted to excuse the "crime", only to remind us of Kennys positive attributes-as a counter-balance to the avalanche of negativity. I have seen him kindly speak to lesser riders and give encouragement to folks with nothing possibly to gain. Call me a sucker but I'm ready to believe him.<br />---JMwashburnAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com