tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29196779.post4126943512009995656..comments2024-01-03T06:52:57.387-05:00Comments on Pappillon: Vinokourov Serves Scottish Crow for DinnerJMPhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05346798683078093966noreply@blogger.comBlogger5125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29196779.post-54441918044072467652010-04-26T12:13:29.169-05:002010-04-26T12:13:29.169-05:00Hugh, I think I know where you're coming from,...Hugh, I think I know where you're coming from, but even I'm not crazy enough to try to compare myself to Millar and Vino in this situation.JMPhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05346798683078093966noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29196779.post-65864228344944925462010-04-26T12:12:39.266-05:002010-04-26T12:12:39.266-05:00HAHAHA Matt! Touché!!!! But I wasn't picking o...HAHAHA Matt! Touché!!!! But I wasn't picking on David (who was nice enough to show his personal support when I was going through the difficult process of confessing). Rather, I'm encouraging him not to pick on Vino! [not like Vino can't take care of himself though, right?]<br /><br />There are several English-speaking riders in the peloton right now - Wiggins, Cav, Taylor Phinney, and, alas, David Millar - who must think it fashionable to condemn some non-English speaking riders who've doped, served sanctions and are making comebacks (Riccò, Vino, Sella). I'm sorry, but that's a party foul. Attacking those three does nothing to enhance the credibility of the attackers, and only makes them seem bitter.<br /><br />Attack the UCI or WADA or CONI or the Kazakh federation...but let your fellow riders get on with riding. You don't hear Armstrong Vino-bashing (ick - I can't believe I just cited L.A. as an example of behavior I'd encourage in others! lol ;).JMPhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05346798683078093966noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29196779.post-78123031432917241642010-04-26T11:41:46.339-05:002010-04-26T11:41:46.339-05:00Did anyone see the crap piece that VeloNews ran at...Did anyone see the crap piece that VeloNews ran attacking Vino, too? If not, here is the link:<br /><br />http://is.gd/bIGYm<br /><br />When I saw it I almost barfed. I held down the urge to puke, and instead scratched-out this comment:<br /><br />"If it’s proven that he isn’t cheating"????<br /><br />So now the presumption is one of guilt - and it's the rider's responsibility to prove to the satisfaction of John Wilcockson that they're not cheating? Please.<br /><br />If John Wilcockson can support Lance Armstrong and apparently accept the fact that the EPO found in his frozen urine samples, and the back-dated TUE for corticosteroid-use don't constitute cheating, then certainly Vino's win in 2010 L-B-L in the absence of *any* evidence of doping is proof enough that he is the legitimate race winner.<br /><br />VeloNews should examine its own bias and consider why it ran a sensationalized headline like the one accompanying this article. "Vinokourov's unpopular victory"? Unpopular with whom? My friends and I are are THRILLED that Vino won, and think that journalists should go back to reporting the news, and not editorializing. J.W. and co. would do well to realize that they are NOT the arbiters of guilt or innocence in cycling. Until proven otherwise, Vino is CLEAN, not doped, and to suggest otherwise is to perpetuate a mentality that is foul and blatantly biased - namely that random people like John Wilcockson can imply that some riders who have not been proven to be doping in the here and the now are in fact probably guilty of doping, while others - despite overwhelming circumstantial evidence linking them to cheating - are actually clean."<br /><br />Great post, Pappillon, though you should give credit to the original photographers whose images you use - just a suggestion.Vino4-everhttp://www.vino4-ever.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29196779.post-79578564841152825792010-04-26T10:14:04.726-05:002010-04-26T10:14:04.726-05:00Ahh jeez, Joe. Why do you have to pick on one of m...Ahh jeez, Joe. Why do you have to pick on one of my fave riders, Millar?Matt at Twisted Spokehttp://www.atwistedspoke.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29196779.post-24232739023843838302010-04-26T07:35:50.272-05:002010-04-26T07:35:50.272-05:00"It does, however, seem that David Millar sho..."It does, however, seem that David Millar should just "shut up and ride." Slagging off Vinokourov - when you yourself were guilty of the same transgressions"<br />-------------------------------<br />Most ironic statement so far this week.HughJassPhDhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychological_projectionnoreply@blogger.com